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IGPU and CPU capabilities vary by model. Check specifications for exact limits.

IGPU and CPU capabilities vary by model. Check specifications for exact limits.

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ViralControl
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01-23-2016, 08:49 PM
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I'm considering the constraints of CPUs paired with integrated GPUs and how they compete for resources. Specifically, available memory and bandwidth are key issues. With this in mind, would engineers need to adopt advanced materials like carbon nanotube-based RAM or buckyballs to surpass these challenges? I imagine a design similar to HBM but using a single die connected via 1024 links to the CPU die—something AMD has explored with their current Ryzen processors. We don't have precise details on memory density, but a consumer 8-core CPU might realistically support around 32GB, and the iGPU/24 could handle that. For now, it seems feasible at least for initial implementations.
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ViralControl
01-23-2016, 08:49 PM #1

I'm considering the constraints of CPUs paired with integrated GPUs and how they compete for resources. Specifically, available memory and bandwidth are key issues. With this in mind, would engineers need to adopt advanced materials like carbon nanotube-based RAM or buckyballs to surpass these challenges? I imagine a design similar to HBM but using a single die connected via 1024 links to the CPU die—something AMD has explored with their current Ryzen processors. We don't have precise details on memory density, but a consumer 8-core CPU might realistically support around 32GB, and the iGPU/24 could handle that. For now, it seems feasible at least for initial implementations.

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Wuschel01
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01-25-2016, 06:11 PM
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The issue is that people won't purchase such an APU since you can get a CPU and GPU for a similar price. But as a mobile device it's possible, though very costly and unlikely to be popular—most likely a DGPU setup with CPU would still be more sensible. AMD probably has the capability, but it would be too expensive and wouldn't sell well.
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Wuschel01
01-25-2016, 06:11 PM #2

The issue is that people won't purchase such an APU since you can get a CPU and GPU for a similar price. But as a mobile device it's possible, though very costly and unlikely to be popular—most likely a DGPU setup with CPU would still be more sensible. AMD probably has the capability, but it would be too expensive and wouldn't sell well.

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CocaCola15
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01-27-2016, 03:37 AM
#3
Observe the next gaming console releases.
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CocaCola15
01-27-2016, 03:37 AM #3

Observe the next gaming console releases.

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Karmageddon
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01-27-2016, 11:53 AM
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It seems no one has discovered a cost-effective way to produce large quantities of Carbon Buckyballs or Nanotubes suitable for semiconductors yet. Recent reports suggest carbon nanotubes have been used for impractical golf club and tennis racket designs, which are quite costly.
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Karmageddon
01-27-2016, 11:53 AM #4

It seems no one has discovered a cost-effective way to produce large quantities of Carbon Buckyballs or Nanotubes suitable for semiconductors yet. Recent reports suggest carbon nanotubes have been used for impractical golf club and tennis racket designs, which are quite costly.

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Justicemonkey
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01-31-2016, 05:54 PM
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The challenges with nanotubes include the fact that a 1mm long one is a notable achievement. I’ve learned about firms producing dumbbell-shaped nanotubes featuring large knobs at their ends, which are essentially used as fiberglass. Buckyballs seem almost worthless—they’re extremely stable and unreactive. The last practical application I heard of was blood-cell-sized particles designed for microscope calibration. They’re actually harmful because their small size lets them enter blood vessels, and their inert nature means the body can’t eliminate them.
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Justicemonkey
01-31-2016, 05:54 PM #5

The challenges with nanotubes include the fact that a 1mm long one is a notable achievement. I’ve learned about firms producing dumbbell-shaped nanotubes featuring large knobs at their ends, which are essentially used as fiberglass. Buckyballs seem almost worthless—they’re extremely stable and unreactive. The last practical application I heard of was blood-cell-sized particles designed for microscope calibration. They’re actually harmful because their small size lets them enter blood vessels, and their inert nature means the body can’t eliminate them.

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flamex123456
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02-01-2016, 05:09 AM
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The buyer would never experience the pricing Sony and Microsoft receive for their APUs' Well, as with all tech advancements it’s still in its early stages. They’ve consistently mentioned this about new technologies—just wait 5 to 10 years and it’ll likely become standard. Most of the IGPU power will come from design upgrades rather than bigger GPUs from companies like AMD or Intel.
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flamex123456
02-01-2016, 05:09 AM #6

The buyer would never experience the pricing Sony and Microsoft receive for their APUs' Well, as with all tech advancements it’s still in its early stages. They’ve consistently mentioned this about new technologies—just wait 5 to 10 years and it’ll likely become standard. Most of the IGPU power will come from design upgrades rather than bigger GPUs from companies like AMD or Intel.

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jacktheking43
Junior Member
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02-01-2016, 06:59 AM
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Well, it's not quite a typical zif. It's still pretty much the same.
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jacktheking43
02-01-2016, 06:59 AM #7

Well, it's not quite a typical zif. It's still pretty much the same.

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02-04-2016, 10:43 AM
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Right, However OP is asking about consumer APU's with IGPU's that powerful. Console APU's are a custom solution made for Sony and Microsoft expected to sold in the millions. AMD is capable of it for a customer like Microsoft or Sony but for someone like us they wouldnt do it unless OEMs demand such a thing which then would trickle down to us
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willowengstrom
02-04-2016, 10:43 AM #8

Right, However OP is asking about consumer APU's with IGPU's that powerful. Console APU's are a custom solution made for Sony and Microsoft expected to sold in the millions. AMD is capable of it for a customer like Microsoft or Sony but for someone like us they wouldnt do it unless OEMs demand such a thing which then would trickle down to us