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Have issues with your Windows 11 setup?

Have issues with your Windows 11 setup?

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RainstormNeko
Junior Member
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07-03-2021, 01:37 AM
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I notice many people have worries about Windows 11 and Copilot being imposed on them. My perspective comes from a long history of extreme caution, so I’m open to considering both sides. There are real issues here—privacy, data collection, and control over personal information. Some concerns center around how much data is gathered and whether it’s used transparently. Others worry about the balance between convenience and autonomy. It’s understandable to feel uneasy after decades of vigilance, but understanding these points can help address valid fears.
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RainstormNeko
07-03-2021, 01:37 AM #1

I notice many people have worries about Windows 11 and Copilot being imposed on them. My perspective comes from a long history of extreme caution, so I’m open to considering both sides. There are real issues here—privacy, data collection, and control over personal information. Some concerns center around how much data is gathered and whether it’s used transparently. Others worry about the balance between convenience and autonomy. It’s understandable to feel uneasy after decades of vigilance, but understanding these points can help address valid fears.

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DummesPikachu
Member
63
07-06-2021, 03:23 PM
#2
The notion that you'd have to pay for an operating system that monitors your activities is completely unrealistic. This approach emerged after the 2008 financial crisis, when consumers became more aware of their spending habits. The F2P model in gaming was a natural evolution at that time. Social media was already present but in its infancy until companies discovered ways to monetize user data and tie it to ads. Now Microsoft is combining both strategies: charging for a license while secretly collecting data and tracking users online. This only makes sense if it's F2P. If I pay for a license, I expect no telemetry, no data mining, and no online account. I want my software to be mine, not something I rent as a service.
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DummesPikachu
07-06-2021, 03:23 PM #2

The notion that you'd have to pay for an operating system that monitors your activities is completely unrealistic. This approach emerged after the 2008 financial crisis, when consumers became more aware of their spending habits. The F2P model in gaming was a natural evolution at that time. Social media was already present but in its infancy until companies discovered ways to monetize user data and tie it to ads. Now Microsoft is combining both strategies: charging for a license while secretly collecting data and tracking users online. This only makes sense if it's F2P. If I pay for a license, I expect no telemetry, no data mining, and no online account. I want my software to be mine, not something I rent as a service.

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DerpyDude5000
Junior Member
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07-15-2021, 01:32 AM
#3
Never owned software directly. Always had a license to use it. The main change was moving from physical copies to digital access that needed online activation. This shift also affected privacy matters. Licenses used to be expensive, requiring payment per version update. Now companies rely more on ads and selling user data. That’s why privacy concerns grew. Software costs stayed high, so people hesitated to spend on licenses or updates. Instead, they shared personal details for targeted ads. Telemetry helps track usage patterns and improve products—something users generally support. Gathering personal information, however, raises serious issues. Beyond personalized ads, it can lead to unfair outcomes like loan rejections or job rejections based on data collected without consent.
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DerpyDude5000
07-15-2021, 01:32 AM #3

Never owned software directly. Always had a license to use it. The main change was moving from physical copies to digital access that needed online activation. This shift also affected privacy matters. Licenses used to be expensive, requiring payment per version update. Now companies rely more on ads and selling user data. That’s why privacy concerns grew. Software costs stayed high, so people hesitated to spend on licenses or updates. Instead, they shared personal details for targeted ads. Telemetry helps track usage patterns and improve products—something users generally support. Gathering personal information, however, raises serious issues. Beyond personalized ads, it can lead to unfair outcomes like loan rejections or job rejections based on data collected without consent.

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CreeperKing439
Junior Member
45
07-15-2021, 07:14 AM
#4
The method relies on complex profiling rather than direct identification. They employ fingerprinting methods that track behavioral data—music preferences, video content, language patterns, health concerns, slang usage, time spent online, product interests, and more. From this they derive age ranges, gender, personality traits, consumption habits, and possible health issues. This approach is more covert, similar to totalitarian surveillance systems like communism, but instead of controlling populations, megacorps use the information for commercial gain, risk assessment, or even denying services.
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CreeperKing439
07-15-2021, 07:14 AM #4

The method relies on complex profiling rather than direct identification. They employ fingerprinting methods that track behavioral data—music preferences, video content, language patterns, health concerns, slang usage, time spent online, product interests, and more. From this they derive age ranges, gender, personality traits, consumption habits, and possible health issues. This approach is more covert, similar to totalitarian surveillance systems like communism, but instead of controlling populations, megacorps use the information for commercial gain, risk assessment, or even denying services.

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ORIGUAY
Member
64
07-15-2021, 10:14 AM
#5
They keep shifting toward the Goal Post. Sometimes you pay for something only to get it later free... honestly, if you have Windows 10 you might be able to use the same key for Windows 11 at least... the recall situation is worrying too. It feels like you mentioned earlier, so we’ll offer you a minimal wage and since you said “ship,” we’ll give you six hours without any breaks. Image note: even without data they could lock you out of services... don’t let them profit from your information. I’m curious to see an AI copy my writing—my style isn’t always consistent, but I appreciate it when it works. Love seeing an AI improve my work!
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ORIGUAY
07-15-2021, 10:14 AM #5

They keep shifting toward the Goal Post. Sometimes you pay for something only to get it later free... honestly, if you have Windows 10 you might be able to use the same key for Windows 11 at least... the recall situation is worrying too. It feels like you mentioned earlier, so we’ll offer you a minimal wage and since you said “ship,” we’ll give you six hours without any breaks. Image note: even without data they could lock you out of services... don’t let them profit from your information. I’m curious to see an AI copy my writing—my style isn’t always consistent, but I appreciate it when it works. Love seeing an AI improve my work!

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TuhOwl
Junior Member
22
07-15-2021, 04:49 PM
#6
yea
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TuhOwl
07-15-2021, 04:49 PM #6

yea

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Gupalhari
Member
68
07-15-2021, 05:36 PM
#7
In my thoughts, the main concern isn't ads on our cherished desktops. It's about legal and societal challenges that emerge when we act alone within our systems. My only certainty is hoping that authority will act kindly and use its power to uphold existing laws. There should be no need for social credit scores or chasing out those who once broke the law. I just want people in jail who were wrongly convicted 50 years ago to be returned. This could become a contentious issue if we reach levels of control seen in China. Yet I hope people remain free, even if it means facing consequences for minor offenses. A society that fears punishment for small mistakes isn't truly free. But if this is just about advertising and data profiling... well, I don’t mind much. I’m largely unaffected by ads and would definitely consider buying the Stanley blade if it really hits home. Existential decline of society and big data wanting to profit from our data are the real worries... What other concerns do you have?
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Gupalhari
07-15-2021, 05:36 PM #7

In my thoughts, the main concern isn't ads on our cherished desktops. It's about legal and societal challenges that emerge when we act alone within our systems. My only certainty is hoping that authority will act kindly and use its power to uphold existing laws. There should be no need for social credit scores or chasing out those who once broke the law. I just want people in jail who were wrongly convicted 50 years ago to be returned. This could become a contentious issue if we reach levels of control seen in China. Yet I hope people remain free, even if it means facing consequences for minor offenses. A society that fears punishment for small mistakes isn't truly free. But if this is just about advertising and data profiling... well, I don’t mind much. I’m largely unaffected by ads and would definitely consider buying the Stanley blade if it really hits home. Existential decline of society and big data wanting to profit from our data are the real worries... What other concerns do you have?

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JEFF_JEFFERSON
Senior Member
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07-15-2021, 11:53 PM
#8
I recommend using pre-debloated Enterprise LTS versions of Windows. I favor version 10 because it functioned properly, whereas version 11 required additional adjustments because of the unusual context menu and other interface quirks.
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JEFF_JEFFERSON
07-15-2021, 11:53 PM #8

I recommend using pre-debloated Enterprise LTS versions of Windows. I favor version 10 because it functioned properly, whereas version 11 required additional adjustments because of the unusual context menu and other interface quirks.

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OtakGamerBR_
Junior Member
15
07-22-2021, 09:38 PM
#9
you get what you pay for in windows 11. new ai features are coming, but nothing changed much in w10—people resist change and prefer tweaking instead of updates. the claims about fast boot times and high-speed ram are likely overpromising; real speeds today are more modest. they promise quicker starts but often require subscriptions. many developers push updates for newer OSes while old systems remain stuck, making it hard to upgrade. it’s not just about cost—it’s about compatibility, support, and the reality of aging hardware. stores now replace old systems every few months because keeping them is expensive, and users are left with limited options. the real issue isn’t the price tag but the lack of viable solutions for older machines.
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OtakGamerBR_
07-22-2021, 09:38 PM #9

you get what you pay for in windows 11. new ai features are coming, but nothing changed much in w10—people resist change and prefer tweaking instead of updates. the claims about fast boot times and high-speed ram are likely overpromising; real speeds today are more modest. they promise quicker starts but often require subscriptions. many developers push updates for newer OSes while old systems remain stuck, making it hard to upgrade. it’s not just about cost—it’s about compatibility, support, and the reality of aging hardware. stores now replace old systems every few months because keeping them is expensive, and users are left with limited options. the real issue isn’t the price tag but the lack of viable solutions for older machines.

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razertime
Junior Member
12
07-23-2021, 07:46 PM
#10
It comes down to core values regarding data gathering, not personal interest. This operating system is built for serious professional and private use, and it isn't free. The W11 section highlights certain issues, similar to W10, but users have voiced concerns. Efforts are ongoing as demand for Windows persists since there are no viable alternatives.
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razertime
07-23-2021, 07:46 PM #10

It comes down to core values regarding data gathering, not personal interest. This operating system is built for serious professional and private use, and it isn't free. The W11 section highlights certain issues, similar to W10, but users have voiced concerns. Efforts are ongoing as demand for Windows persists since there are no viable alternatives.

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