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Half Live - Alyx, Tested is a character with a unique twist.

Half Live - Alyx, Tested is a character with a unique twist.

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SugarCandy21
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03-05-2023, 04:42 PM
#11
So let me clarify this for you. In your view, it seems more logical that there exists a clearly more advanced version that fits comfortably on gloves, whereas the sequel turns out to be a much larger, less practical monster. I know people argue about continuity in Halo: Reach, saying weapons in later games look way simpler than in the original, but that’s just normal evolution—not a drop in quality. You’re moving straight from the end of Reach into the start of Halo 1. I get it. What I’m pointing out is simply saying you’re mistaken, without offering any further details. And while I don’t own VR myself, I’ve studied it closely. Essentially, I’m stating a basic fact: in reality, VR is still limited by tracking precision and space availability, which not everyone can access. Most people have a flat screen and don’t experience motion sickness, so there’s less need to overcome design challenges for practical use. This isn’t a debate about arguments—it’s just pointing out the facts.

What I’m trying to convey is that you’re misunderstanding the situation.

Now, regarding your question about picking up an object with two hands and keeping it steady: in real life or VR, it usually works by smoothly moving between hand positions or letting go completely. In VR, people often freeze or move slowly until they can see a clear line of sight again. This isn’t about cheating—it’s about how the system handles movement and focus.

If you want examples, I can point to videos showing people in VR shooting while moving freely. The physics involved are similar to what we see in games like Half-Life, where objects can be picked up and manipulated. It’s all about realistic interaction, not just flashy effects.
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SugarCandy21
03-05-2023, 04:42 PM #11

So let me clarify this for you. In your view, it seems more logical that there exists a clearly more advanced version that fits comfortably on gloves, whereas the sequel turns out to be a much larger, less practical monster. I know people argue about continuity in Halo: Reach, saying weapons in later games look way simpler than in the original, but that’s just normal evolution—not a drop in quality. You’re moving straight from the end of Reach into the start of Halo 1. I get it. What I’m pointing out is simply saying you’re mistaken, without offering any further details. And while I don’t own VR myself, I’ve studied it closely. Essentially, I’m stating a basic fact: in reality, VR is still limited by tracking precision and space availability, which not everyone can access. Most people have a flat screen and don’t experience motion sickness, so there’s less need to overcome design challenges for practical use. This isn’t a debate about arguments—it’s just pointing out the facts.

What I’m trying to convey is that you’re misunderstanding the situation.

Now, regarding your question about picking up an object with two hands and keeping it steady: in real life or VR, it usually works by smoothly moving between hand positions or letting go completely. In VR, people often freeze or move slowly until they can see a clear line of sight again. This isn’t about cheating—it’s about how the system handles movement and focus.

If you want examples, I can point to videos showing people in VR shooting while moving freely. The physics involved are similar to what we see in games like Half-Life, where objects can be picked up and manipulated. It’s all about realistic interaction, not just flashy effects.

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Kam050702
Junior Member
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03-06-2023, 12:54 AM
#12
It's not more complex than the gravity gun. VR isn't constrained by tracking precision. Its limits come from available space rather than its own capabilities. Suggesting VR is the reason people don’t live in mansions is just an assumption. I clarified your mistake, but now you're complaining because I highlighted it. Your understanding of VR is still limited. The idea of moving hands together doesn't apply when holding a weapon with two hands. You're also mistaken about the basic interpolation—more advanced models exist for a long time. The game engine determines what's possible. You were incorrect about most people, and that's not accurate. It's not true.
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Kam050702
03-06-2023, 12:54 AM #12

It's not more complex than the gravity gun. VR isn't constrained by tracking precision. Its limits come from available space rather than its own capabilities. Suggesting VR is the reason people don’t live in mansions is just an assumption. I clarified your mistake, but now you're complaining because I highlighted it. Your understanding of VR is still limited. The idea of moving hands together doesn't apply when holding a weapon with two hands. You're also mistaken about the basic interpolation—more advanced models exist for a long time. The game engine determines what's possible. You were incorrect about most people, and that's not accurate. It's not true.

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Alexandrea1
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03-06-2023, 01:38 AM
#13
It fits well within a glove. That would indicate a higher level of sophistication. A straw man tactic is being used again, clearly distorting my position instead of offering a genuine response. ...No. I thoroughly reviewed the whole conversation so far, and you didn't provide any real clarification. The closest answer would be that it's essentially interpolating two data points rather than one. That’s exactly what I stated. You continue to misrepresent my words. In virtual reality, there is no tangible object in your grip—both hands remain fully free to move anywhere in three dimensions while still interacting with the digital environment. This isn’t a complicated idea at all. Taking into account the footage I’ve seen of people handling objects with two hands, it often shows unpredictable motion because of VR tracking limitations (it’s not perfect, as it relies on interpolating data from light sources in real time... it won’t be flawless). Plus, without a physical item in their grip, movement feels unnatural. This results in erratic object handling, forced drops, or even releasing a hand. Every trailer I’ve seen of Sony’s content highlights very slow movement speeds—comparable to Doom. Notably, since a single clip shows someone moving, it doesn’t accurately reflect the overall experience. It’s another straw man argument. On top of that, you keep presenting false comparisons. In VR, physics are still constrained; aiming a rifle with two hands in a game doesn’t feel natural, especially when shooting. This isn’t just about perception—it’s about actual mechanics.

If you want, I can break down the main points more simply.
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Alexandrea1
03-06-2023, 01:38 AM #13

It fits well within a glove. That would indicate a higher level of sophistication. A straw man tactic is being used again, clearly distorting my position instead of offering a genuine response. ...No. I thoroughly reviewed the whole conversation so far, and you didn't provide any real clarification. The closest answer would be that it's essentially interpolating two data points rather than one. That’s exactly what I stated. You continue to misrepresent my words. In virtual reality, there is no tangible object in your grip—both hands remain fully free to move anywhere in three dimensions while still interacting with the digital environment. This isn’t a complicated idea at all. Taking into account the footage I’ve seen of people handling objects with two hands, it often shows unpredictable motion because of VR tracking limitations (it’s not perfect, as it relies on interpolating data from light sources in real time... it won’t be flawless). Plus, without a physical item in their grip, movement feels unnatural. This results in erratic object handling, forced drops, or even releasing a hand. Every trailer I’ve seen of Sony’s content highlights very slow movement speeds—comparable to Doom. Notably, since a single clip shows someone moving, it doesn’t accurately reflect the overall experience. It’s another straw man argument. On top of that, you keep presenting false comparisons. In VR, physics are still constrained; aiming a rifle with two hands in a game doesn’t feel natural, especially when shooting. This isn’t just about perception—it’s about actual mechanics.

If you want, I can break down the main points more simply.

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Gamer_1608
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03-10-2023, 09:24 PM
#14
It’s a glove designed with limited features. The explanation doesn’t make much sense. Keep reading or test it yourself. It’s clear you’re misunderstanding the point. Unstable behavior often stems from poorly coded games. Performance differs between titles. This isn’t about tracking precision, since some systems offer sub-millimeter accuracy. Not every system is the same, though. I don’t need endless videos from casual creators. I’ve already provided a solid counterexample that disproves your argument. You’re still missing the key concepts. In virtual reality you can manipulate objects in ways flat games can’t. With a grenade, you control its force, angle, and spin—things you simply can’t do in traditional 2D settings.
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Gamer_1608
03-10-2023, 09:24 PM #14

It’s a glove designed with limited features. The explanation doesn’t make much sense. Keep reading or test it yourself. It’s clear you’re misunderstanding the point. Unstable behavior often stems from poorly coded games. Performance differs between titles. This isn’t about tracking precision, since some systems offer sub-millimeter accuracy. Not every system is the same, though. I don’t need endless videos from casual creators. I’ve already provided a solid counterexample that disproves your argument. You’re still missing the key concepts. In virtual reality you can manipulate objects in ways flat games can’t. With a grenade, you control its force, angle, and spin—things you simply can’t do in traditional 2D settings.

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Jaydubz2
Junior Member
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03-11-2023, 04:57 AM
#15
In my view, the device doesn't launch projectiles. That's not even close. There are still plenty of explanations, but even in the clip of HL Alyx tested on new Valve hardware at their studio, you can notice unpredictable movements when he fires. The PSVR performs quite poorly. Regarding the claim of submillimeter precision, the only reliable source I found was about the HTC Vive, and it doesn't match. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5439658/ A short excerpt from a NASA study says: "Our analysis shows that while the original system offers sub-millimeter accuracy in still conditions, dynamic operation reduces precision by a significant factor. Experiments reveal accuracy ranging from a few millimeters to several meters depending on motion." Another source details tracking drift and static measurements, noting ~0.3mm accuracy for the Lighthouse headset, with fluctuations of up to 2mm when signals are blocked. The refresh rate and controller rates also affect performance. Overall, based on what I've gathered, VR tracking isn't consistently precise across all scenarios. Your experience with Alyx seems to be more consistent than most people's expectations.
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Jaydubz2
03-11-2023, 04:57 AM #15

In my view, the device doesn't launch projectiles. That's not even close. There are still plenty of explanations, but even in the clip of HL Alyx tested on new Valve hardware at their studio, you can notice unpredictable movements when he fires. The PSVR performs quite poorly. Regarding the claim of submillimeter precision, the only reliable source I found was about the HTC Vive, and it doesn't match. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5439658/ A short excerpt from a NASA study says: "Our analysis shows that while the original system offers sub-millimeter accuracy in still conditions, dynamic operation reduces precision by a significant factor. Experiments reveal accuracy ranging from a few millimeters to several meters depending on motion." Another source details tracking drift and static measurements, noting ~0.3mm accuracy for the Lighthouse headset, with fluctuations of up to 2mm when signals are blocked. The refresh rate and controller rates also affect performance. Overall, based on what I've gathered, VR tracking isn't consistently precise across all scenarios. Your experience with Alyx seems to be more consistent than most people's expectations.

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miknes123
Senior Member
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03-11-2023, 06:41 AM
#16
Their findings differ from yours. They identified an issue with an offset reference plane, which could cause problems in certain experiments but is likely manageable for game handling. What you discussed relates to jitter, which they observed was minimal: keep that in mind—it applies to first-generation lighthouses and nearly three years of tracking software. You requested a video, so I provided the very first video result from my search. It wasn’t a selective sample (though it was a poor example), but the initial one they found.
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miknes123
03-11-2023, 06:41 AM #16

Their findings differ from yours. They identified an issue with an offset reference plane, which could cause problems in certain experiments but is likely manageable for game handling. What you discussed relates to jitter, which they observed was minimal: keep that in mind—it applies to first-generation lighthouses and nearly three years of tracking software. You requested a video, so I provided the very first video result from my search. It wasn’t a selective sample (though it was a poor example), but the initial one they found.

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TheGamerPro25
Member
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03-19-2023, 03:18 AM
#17
Focusing on headset tracking offers more precise data. NASA's observations about tracking inaccuracy in motion align with my perspective. Regardless, the presence of noticeable jitter remains a consistent issue in VR games, including HL Alyx. I requested footage of dynamic movement similar to Doom or COD, but received something static and constrained—like someone moving along a track. I also noted that most players don’t shoot while moving, which weakens the case when only one example is presented. Offering multiple counterexamples, even if they’re perceived as low-quality, strengthens my argument.
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TheGamerPro25
03-19-2023, 03:18 AM #17

Focusing on headset tracking offers more precise data. NASA's observations about tracking inaccuracy in motion align with my perspective. Regardless, the presence of noticeable jitter remains a consistent issue in VR games, including HL Alyx. I requested footage of dynamic movement similar to Doom or COD, but received something static and constrained—like someone moving along a track. I also noted that most players don’t shoot while moving, which weakens the case when only one example is presented. Offering multiple counterexamples, even if they’re perceived as low-quality, strengthens my argument.

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hugsrocks
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03-20-2023, 01:06 AM
#18
HL Alyx remains under development. The controllers and headset are managed using the same tracking system as the Lighthouse.
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hugsrocks
03-20-2023, 01:06 AM #18

HL Alyx remains under development. The controllers and headset are managed using the same tracking system as the Lighthouse.

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