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Employing a complete system-on-chip as the power distribution network

Employing a complete system-on-chip as the power distribution network

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luxrox
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11-23-2016, 11:52 AM
#11
The issue lies with the presence of defective chips within the SoC. This suggests problems in manufacturing or design. Using separate silicon for dedicated components would be more efficient. Modifying the PCH layout to fit its own chipset could save costs and improve performance.
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luxrox
11-23-2016, 11:52 AM #11

The issue lies with the presence of defective chips within the SoC. This suggests problems in manufacturing or design. Using separate silicon for dedicated components would be more efficient. Modifying the PCH layout to fit its own chipset could save costs and improve performance.

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nordinkel
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11-23-2016, 06:04 PM
#12
They finally integrated that onto the same PCB as the CPU? If so, it should be considered a SOC feature. Intel has allocated its own PCH, which is more cost-effective to produce than a full CPU. With Intel's sales likely to rise—especially at 14nm, despite not meeting yield expectations—the company may limit using underperforming CPUs for the PCH, saving on their 14nm supply constraints. This approach might become more common in the future when 10nm takes over the workload from 14nm, though Intel hasn't announced any PCIe 4 PCH yet. For now, Intel's PCH will remain dedicated.
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nordinkel
11-23-2016, 06:04 PM #12

They finally integrated that onto the same PCB as the CPU? If so, it should be considered a SOC feature. Intel has allocated its own PCH, which is more cost-effective to produce than a full CPU. With Intel's sales likely to rise—especially at 14nm, despite not meeting yield expectations—the company may limit using underperforming CPUs for the PCH, saving on their 14nm supply constraints. This approach might become more common in the future when 10nm takes over the workload from 14nm, though Intel hasn't announced any PCIe 4 PCH yet. For now, Intel's PCH will remain dedicated.

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Mrtaffy
Junior Member
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11-25-2016, 09:06 AM
#13
After all Zen 2's I/O dies are distinct silicon components, using just the I/O die gives you an X570 PCH.
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Mrtaffy
11-25-2016, 09:06 AM #13

After all Zen 2's I/O dies are distinct silicon components, using just the I/O die gives you an X570 PCH.

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Edo19
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11-25-2016, 10:55 AM
#14
I imagine there might be a place where a failing mobile SoC can be reused as a desktop PCH. If certain components like the GPU, CPU cores, or memory controller are completely nonfunctional, this becomes possible. This aligns with what I previously said — the Loongson 7 PCH for Loongson 3 CPU is essentially a Loongson 2 SoC die with dead CPU cores. That’s a system in package.
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Edo19
11-25-2016, 10:55 AM #14

I imagine there might be a place where a failing mobile SoC can be reused as a desktop PCH. If certain components like the GPU, CPU cores, or memory controller are completely nonfunctional, this becomes possible. This aligns with what I previously said — the Loongson 7 PCH for Loongson 3 CPU is essentially a Loongson 2 SoC die with dead CPU cores. That’s a system in package.

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_GG_Panda_
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11-25-2016, 06:21 PM
#15
With 10th generation ULV CPUs using their own chipset on a distinct silicon slice, it seems unlikely this will occur without the PCH taking on additional roles. As seen with Zen 2 and X570, the market leans toward maintaining the PCH as a separate component. Why design broken cores when they can just be omitted entirely?
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_GG_Panda_
11-25-2016, 06:21 PM #15

With 10th generation ULV CPUs using their own chipset on a distinct silicon slice, it seems unlikely this will occur without the PCH taking on additional roles. As seen with Zen 2 and X570, the market leans toward maintaining the PCH as a separate component. Why design broken cores when they can just be omitted entirely?

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manooon1128
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11-25-2016, 07:25 PM
#16
Additionally consider the PS4 design – it utilized a complete functional Marvell ARM processor integrated into the system-on-chip for its APU.
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manooon1128
11-25-2016, 07:25 PM #16

Additionally consider the PS4 design – it utilized a complete functional Marvell ARM processor integrated into the system-on-chip for its APU.

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GodZenik
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11-26-2016, 02:11 AM
#17
Marvell produces SSD controllers, possibly enabling the PCH to function as an SoC. It’s not out of the question; they might have a motivation tied to material efficiency, especially when yields are sufficient to render recycling less relevant.
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GodZenik
11-26-2016, 02:11 AM #17

Marvell produces SSD controllers, possibly enabling the PCH to function as an SoC. It’s not out of the question; they might have a motivation tied to material efficiency, especially when yields are sufficient to render recycling less relevant.

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_SuchKiwii
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11-27-2016, 07:07 AM
#18
The PS4 PCH is based on a Marvell Armada SoC. The developer who worked with the Linux version spent considerable time explaining how they accessed it, and that chip posed significant challenges.
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_SuchKiwii
11-27-2016, 07:07 AM #18

The PS4 PCH is based on a Marvell Armada SoC. The developer who worked with the Linux version spent considerable time explaining how they accessed it, and that chip posed significant challenges.

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