Discuss responsible and smart consumer habits, brand loyalty, and the 5800x3d concept.
Discuss responsible and smart consumer habits, brand loyalty, and the 5800x3d concept.
They weren't fraudulent in the traditional sense—they weren’t profitable beyond their premium price. It’s hard to picture a $199,5600 back in November 2020; that would have been the ultimate performance chip. At $299, it looked much more reasonable. The 5800x3d seems especially excessive when the $5900x is available for around $350, and the 12700f for roughly $312.
I revised my update, please. Your concerns stem from the assumption that this CPU won't work with the A320 board, but it should function fine. The specs don’t indicate any compatibility issues.
It doesn't make sense to match boards above 12400 with a B660. Choosing an Intel board limits future upgrades, especially since it lacks overclocking support and PCIe lanes. It looks like you favor Intel because you're against installing high-end chips like the 5800X or 5800X3D on older boards. Most users don't require a 20-phase motherboard, and overclocking isn't really beneficial with Zen 3 CPUs.
Sure, the system works adequately. Do you have a PCIe 4.0 card? Modern Wi-Fi connectivity is available? A 6-layer PCB could help boost RAM performance? Good thermal solutions would improve efficiency and cooling? The idea that compatibility equals satisfaction is misleading. Just because a 5800X3D can connect to an older X370 doesn't justify it. In my view, those boards weren't reliable from the start. B450 and X470 are much more worth keeping around.
Jesus... consider a more balanced approach with widely available B450 models... the x370 was mainly for early adopters seeking SLI capabilities... most users opted for B350 and A320 systems. The B450 launched roughly a year after that... with Zen+ chips (2xxx), Zen2 (3xxx), 5xxx lines, and AF series for silent refreshes... Regarding x370 boards, we're discussing systems built around new AMD processor lines after the company faced major setbacks with AM3. Many makers hesitated to create high-end boards due to uncertainty about performance. Most x370 designs included compromises—SLI licenses for multi-GPU setups, limited PCI-E slots, and reduced VRM/heatsink quality. It’s a complex topic. Ryzen chips use significantly less power. Here’s a Techpowerup visual to illustrate the point—keep in mind these are overall figures, subtract about 20-40 watts for the motherboard (chipset, audio, LAN, fans) and RAM. AMD’s new processor generations have changed this...**
On the other hand, Intel’s newer chips are much more efficient. The review highlights that most B550 boards run at 8-12 phases with 50A power stages... even the 5950X could hit around 160-180 watts, but splitting it across more phases keeps current use low. For overclocking, 20 phases are necessary—not optional, but essential for unlocking full potential. If you doubt these numbers, check the GamersNexus test of the 5800X3D: it draws less power at the EPS connector, and even a 12900K can stay under 130 watts with proper VRM setup. At 110 watts, a six-phase system can handle it easily, so you don’t need to worry about throttling. The power draw is manageable and doesn’t restrict performance.**
I'm highlighting that the b660 boards truly outperform previous models. My setup cost $149 for 14 phases and offers a clear upgrade route. The CPU overclocking is consistent across both platforms, reaching full potential right out of the box.