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Detailed talk on carrier-grade NAT topics

Detailed talk on carrier-grade NAT topics

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lets_miklas
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05-24-2023, 07:56 PM
#1
Carrier-grade NAT was mentioned in a recent Reddit thread, and it’s been puzzling why someone couldn’t reach their game server remotely. After some research, I learned about this concept and found it both confusing and frustrating. While the concern about running out of IPv4 addresses is real, ISPs are using these methods that seem unfair. For users affected, there might be limited options—should we discuss possible workarounds? Let’s start the conversation.
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lets_miklas
05-24-2023, 07:56 PM #1

Carrier-grade NAT was mentioned in a recent Reddit thread, and it’s been puzzling why someone couldn’t reach their game server remotely. After some research, I learned about this concept and found it both confusing and frustrating. While the concern about running out of IPv4 addresses is real, ISPs are using these methods that seem unfair. For users affected, there might be limited options—should we discuss possible workarounds? Let’s start the conversation.

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05-25-2023, 04:18 AM
#2
Support your choice by voting with your actions. Simply move to a different supplier if you're not satisfied.
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miningmario101
05-25-2023, 04:18 AM #2

Support your choice by voting with your actions. Simply move to a different supplier if you're not satisfied.

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Felix_Charette
Junior Member
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05-25-2023, 07:36 PM
#3
I'm with Virgin Media in the UK, and I don't think they've made such a mistake! I doubt they offer port forwarding to your home network. Still, I was curious about discussing it.
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Felix_Charette
05-25-2023, 07:36 PM #3

I'm with Virgin Media in the UK, and I don't think they've made such a mistake! I doubt they offer port forwarding to your home network. Still, I was curious about discussing it.

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05-25-2023, 07:57 PM
#4
You're right that many regions lack available IPv4 addresses. It's a straightforward approach most ISPs adopt, focusing on business customers who require it. While not ideal, it works well for them. There are still users with specific needs, but they don't represent a significant enough portion of the home user base for widespread concern.
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_CharliePlayz_
05-25-2023, 07:57 PM #4

You're right that many regions lack available IPv4 addresses. It's a straightforward approach most ISPs adopt, focusing on business customers who require it. While not ideal, it works well for them. There are still users with specific needs, but they don't represent a significant enough portion of the home user base for widespread concern.

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jacobrod07
Member
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05-25-2023, 08:14 PM
#5
I hadn't thought that, but you're correct—the most people using home internet wouldn't mind remote access much.
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jacobrod07
05-25-2023, 08:14 PM #5

I hadn't thought that, but you're correct—the most people using home internet wouldn't mind remote access much.

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Seifie_plays
Member
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05-31-2023, 08:32 AM
#6
Ah, I hope my tone wasn’t too blunt—I’m mainly focused on the Asia Pacific areas where there’s a big gap in IPv4 availability. Some European markets simply can’t produce more, so they’re pushing forward to expand their networks before they run out. There are reserves, but ISPs have to decide how to allocate them, which is often tricky. Home users usually face CGNAT, which isn’t very convenient and there are workarounds, though they’re not always user-friendly. If you manage to get a VPS with a dedicated IP elsewhere, you can route traffic back home, but setting that up and keeping it running requires time, effort, and money—things many people prefer to avoid.
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Seifie_plays
05-31-2023, 08:32 AM #6

Ah, I hope my tone wasn’t too blunt—I’m mainly focused on the Asia Pacific areas where there’s a big gap in IPv4 availability. Some European markets simply can’t produce more, so they’re pushing forward to expand their networks before they run out. There are reserves, but ISPs have to decide how to allocate them, which is often tricky. Home users usually face CGNAT, which isn’t very convenient and there are workarounds, though they’re not always user-friendly. If you manage to get a VPS with a dedicated IP elsewhere, you can route traffic back home, but setting that up and keeping it running requires time, effort, and money—things many people prefer to avoid.

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KizuPvP
Member
137
05-31-2023, 08:50 AM
#7
Not at all Its a topic which up until today I knew very little about... so thanks for the enlightenment
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KizuPvP
05-31-2023, 08:50 AM #7

Not at all Its a topic which up until today I knew very little about... so thanks for the enlightenment

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souss13
Member
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06-02-2023, 01:18 AM
#8
My earlier role had plenty of spare time and resources, but my current position is growing rapidly and nearing capacity. They’re pushing me to try CGNAT on various platforms. Since my new job focuses mainly on business customers, this could interfere with MSP gear that depends on DHCP for remote access. I anticipate more testing soon, which worries me. For residential use, we once had a small ISP handling many customers behind a single IP. They faced frequent issues with Google, Netflix, and Amazon because of the limited connectivity options. It’s a persistent problem, especially for sites that don’t support IPv6. Dual stacking and NAT64 are being explored to translate IPv6 to IPv4, but they only help get basic access—it doesn’t fully resolve the underlying challenges.
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souss13
06-02-2023, 01:18 AM #8

My earlier role had plenty of spare time and resources, but my current position is growing rapidly and nearing capacity. They’re pushing me to try CGNAT on various platforms. Since my new job focuses mainly on business customers, this could interfere with MSP gear that depends on DHCP for remote access. I anticipate more testing soon, which worries me. For residential use, we once had a small ISP handling many customers behind a single IP. They faced frequent issues with Google, Netflix, and Amazon because of the limited connectivity options. It’s a persistent problem, especially for sites that don’t support IPv6. Dual stacking and NAT64 are being explored to translate IPv6 to IPv4, but they only help get basic access—it doesn’t fully resolve the underlying challenges.