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Design boundaries, stage restrictions, or faulty semiconductor chance?

Design boundaries, stage restrictions, or faulty semiconductor chance?

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IMS209
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
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I used to believe each tier or SKU had its own microarchitecture, but I learned it's just the same generation’s core with different specs. Clock speed is configurable because it affects performance, not just power limits. It’s not always about cost alone—it can be a design choice that impacts efficiency. These lower tiers might have simpler designs or trade-offs, similar to non-K models, but they’re still part of the same tech line. They don’t necessarily mean poor quality; sometimes they’re labeled in standard names like Core i5.
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IMS209
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #1

I used to believe each tier or SKU had its own microarchitecture, but I learned it's just the same generation’s core with different specs. Clock speed is configurable because it affects performance, not just power limits. It’s not always about cost alone—it can be a design choice that impacts efficiency. These lower tiers might have simpler designs or trade-offs, similar to non-K models, but they’re still part of the same tech line. They don’t necessarily mean poor quality; sometimes they’re labeled in standard names like Core i5.

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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
#2
Yes, along with market segmentation. Even if the chip is strong, they must balance i5 sales volume. Otherwise, they’ll secure a decent chip that could have been an i9 and market it as an i5. It wouldn’t be worth offering an i9 if it ends up gathering dust without sales.
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Dolphinpokemon
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #2

Yes, along with market segmentation. Even if the chip is strong, they must balance i5 sales volume. Otherwise, they’ll secure a decent chip that could have been an i9 and market it as an i5. It wouldn’t be worth offering an i9 if it ends up gathering dust without sales.

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timo_1892
Senior Member
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
#3
Confirmed, owned an i5 13600K matching a 13900K in silicon standards (per ASUS SP 96 reports). It handled 6GHz in R23 at room temperature. Not common, but possible when manufacturers need to adjust quality tiers or meet production demands.
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timo_1892
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #3

Confirmed, owned an i5 13600K matching a 13900K in silicon standards (per ASUS SP 96 reports). It handled 6GHz in R23 at room temperature. Not common, but possible when manufacturers need to adjust quality tiers or meet production demands.

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centdix
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
#4
Over time, production becomes highly streamlined and output quality improves to the point where even a single die from a wafer can be considered premium. To keep sales steady, manufacturers must balance this quality with volume. Intel achieves this by developing a robust manufacturing line that allows them to enhance performance even more.
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centdix
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #4

Over time, production becomes highly streamlined and output quality improves to the point where even a single die from a wafer can be considered premium. To keep sales steady, manufacturers must balance this quality with volume. Intel achieves this by developing a robust manufacturing line that allows them to enhance performance even more.

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EkaCooper
Junior Member
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
#5
Remember when AMD introduced the "tri-core" AM3 chips? They were typically quad-core chips with one faulty core, but sometimes other strong quad-core CPUs were available to meet future needs. Certain motherboards allowed unlocking the fourth core. If you were fortunate, it performed adequately; if even luckier, you might have received a quad-core processor at a reduced price.
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EkaCooper
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #5

Remember when AMD introduced the "tri-core" AM3 chips? They were typically quad-core chips with one faulty core, but sometimes other strong quad-core CPUs were available to meet future needs. Certain motherboards allowed unlocking the fourth core. If you were fortunate, it performed adequately; if even luckier, you might have received a quad-core processor at a reduced price.

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happicreeper
Junior Member
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
#6
It's tough to accept what we're seeing. If you're aiming for the best processor and need an i9, even without extra cores, how can you justify that? And what about the i5 running on your system—it feels like it's barely functional? I don't think overclocking will help much. I used to believe the performance gains were limited to a few MHz or overclocking potential, but now I'm surprised by the hundreds of MHz!
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happicreeper
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #6

It's tough to accept what we're seeing. If you're aiming for the best processor and need an i9, even without extra cores, how can you justify that? And what about the i5 running on your system—it feels like it's barely functional? I don't think overclocking will help much. I used to believe the performance gains were limited to a few MHz or overclocking potential, but now I'm surprised by the hundreds of MHz!

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marinagrams
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
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You should be interested because it ensures precise delivery of its intended function. Knowing the specifications helps confirm it meets your needs, and if they don't fit your usage, it becomes unnecessary. This video can clarify those points for you: 13x 7600 with varied performance and power use, though clock speed differences are under 200MHz—still relevant for similar models. For other models, lower-end options tend to have the poorest quality.
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marinagrams
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #7

You should be interested because it ensures precise delivery of its intended function. Knowing the specifications helps confirm it meets your needs, and if they don't fit your usage, it becomes unnecessary. This video can clarify those points for you: 13x 7600 with varied performance and power use, though clock speed differences are under 200MHz—still relevant for similar models. For other models, lower-end options tend to have the poorest quality.

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_NORO
Member
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
#8
It's surprising to find a useful NCIX video. By the way, who is that kid? It seems familiar.
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_NORO
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #8

It's surprising to find a useful NCIX video. By the way, who is that kid? It seems familiar.

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MrLegal
Member
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
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It's possible to add another 2 cores too https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...4/htmlview
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MrLegal
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #9

It's possible to add another 2 cores too https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...4/htmlview

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MrBattleKing
Member
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM
#10
They all follow the same path and will perform similarly in terms of stability. In silicon quality terms, the i5s have a lower specification compared to the i9s since they don’t need to run at higher speeds. It’s not a failure—it’s a chip with a lower tier. It functions as intended, which is essentially all you can reasonably expect. The 13900K is designed to support boost clocks 400-500MHz higher than the 13600K, using more voltage for that purpose. If you’re not pushing it beyond overclocking, those differences are minimal. Even then, on the 13th generation, a 100MHz gap between these chips usually translates to only a small change, assuming identical voltages. The variations mainly come from SKU differences rather than performance impact. Back then, similar promises existed—like the 4790K being expected at 4.4GHz versus the 4690K at 3.9GHz—but actual results often landed between those numbers, influenced by the unpredictable nature of silicon manufacturing.
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MrBattleKing
11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #10

They all follow the same path and will perform similarly in terms of stability. In silicon quality terms, the i5s have a lower specification compared to the i9s since they don’t need to run at higher speeds. It’s not a failure—it’s a chip with a lower tier. It functions as intended, which is essentially all you can reasonably expect. The 13900K is designed to support boost clocks 400-500MHz higher than the 13600K, using more voltage for that purpose. If you’re not pushing it beyond overclocking, those differences are minimal. Even then, on the 13th generation, a 100MHz gap between these chips usually translates to only a small change, assuming identical voltages. The variations mainly come from SKU differences rather than performance impact. Back then, similar promises existed—like the 4790K being expected at 4.4GHz versus the 4690K at 3.9GHz—but actual results often landed between those numbers, influenced by the unpredictable nature of silicon manufacturing.

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