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Consider your financial situation carefully before starting a new budget.

Consider your financial situation carefully before starting a new budget.

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Josefientjeuh
Junior Member
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08-02-2017, 01:03 PM
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Recently purchased an AM4 motherboard aiming for light games and AI tasks. Planning to use an RX 9060 XT for the rig. Recent info suggests AM4 is becoming outdated, making it questionable for long-term use. Still, building a budget system with fresh components seems viable. Concern about staying on AM4 in the next 4-5 years remains valid.
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Josefientjeuh
08-02-2017, 01:03 PM #1

Recently purchased an AM4 motherboard aiming for light games and AI tasks. Planning to use an RX 9060 XT for the rig. Recent info suggests AM4 is becoming outdated, making it questionable for long-term use. Still, building a budget system with fresh components seems viable. Concern about staying on AM4 in the next 4-5 years remains valid.

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Tyler_MC
Member
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08-02-2017, 07:00 PM
#2
With sufficient funds, AM5 offers advantages such as quicker RAM speeds, PCIe Gen5 support, and a versatile, upgradeable design. However, if you currently use an AM4 board, the situation shifts.
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Tyler_MC
08-02-2017, 07:00 PM #2

With sufficient funds, AM5 offers advantages such as quicker RAM speeds, PCIe Gen5 support, and a versatile, upgradeable design. However, if you currently use an AM4 board, the situation shifts.

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Nickolas_Z
Member
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08-02-2017, 09:59 PM
#3
AM4 is considered outdated because no new CPUs will be introduced for it, or more accurately, no new CPU designs are planned. The AM5 platform is compatible with current Zen 4 and Zen 5 processors and may also support future Zen 6 models, offering longer usability. Purchasing AM5 means you can upgrade to at least one newer architecture later. PCIe 5.0 provides a noticeable benefit mainly when RAM requirements exceed what PCIe 4.0 can handle, while GPUs typically don't see much improvement. Exceptions exist for weaker GPUs such as the RTX 5060 Ti and RX 9060 XT with 8 GB, which may struggle when VRAM demands surpass system memory. In those cases, PCIe 5.0 offers a slight edge (or at least less strain on the GPU).
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Nickolas_Z
08-02-2017, 09:59 PM #3

AM4 is considered outdated because no new CPUs will be introduced for it, or more accurately, no new CPU designs are planned. The AM5 platform is compatible with current Zen 4 and Zen 5 processors and may also support future Zen 6 models, offering longer usability. Purchasing AM5 means you can upgrade to at least one newer architecture later. PCIe 5.0 provides a noticeable benefit mainly when RAM requirements exceed what PCIe 4.0 can handle, while GPUs typically don't see much improvement. Exceptions exist for weaker GPUs such as the RTX 5060 Ti and RX 9060 XT with 8 GB, which may struggle when VRAM demands surpass system memory. In those cases, PCIe 5.0 offers a slight edge (or at least less strain on the GPU).

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ErdbeerCola
Junior Member
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08-02-2017, 10:40 PM
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PCI 5.0 graphics cards faced issues with PCI 4.0 systems.
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ErdbeerCola
08-02-2017, 10:40 PM #4

PCI 5.0 graphics cards faced issues with PCI 4.0 systems.

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Wiicarbon
Member
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08-03-2017, 12:19 AM
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It's quite a discussion. DDR5 still faces challenges with more than one RAM stick per channel compared to DDR4, which means investing in an AM5 board with four slots might not be worthwhile right now. However, if that issue gets fixed, a two-slot board could limit upgrade options. The speed boost from DDR5 over DDR4 isn't huge either. Most DDR4 models comfortably handle 3200–3600 MHz, while DDR5 usually stays around 4800, with some supporting 5200 or even 5600. Faster RAM like 6000+ is rare and often doesn't reach advertised speeds, making it a potential waste of money. Overall, the cost-benefit for DDR4 remains strong in the short term. DDR5 will likely gain traction eventually, but not soon.
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Wiicarbon
08-03-2017, 12:19 AM #5

It's quite a discussion. DDR5 still faces challenges with more than one RAM stick per channel compared to DDR4, which means investing in an AM5 board with four slots might not be worthwhile right now. However, if that issue gets fixed, a two-slot board could limit upgrade options. The speed boost from DDR5 over DDR4 isn't huge either. Most DDR4 models comfortably handle 3200–3600 MHz, while DDR5 usually stays around 4800, with some supporting 5200 or even 5600. Faster RAM like 6000+ is rare and often doesn't reach advertised speeds, making it a potential waste of money. Overall, the cost-benefit for DDR4 remains strong in the short term. DDR5 will likely gain traction eventually, but not soon.

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MrBobBoberson
Junior Member
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08-03-2017, 01:05 AM
#6
Sure, you're thinking about swapping your motherboard now—it's still brand new and in packaging... I haven't decided on AM4 yet.
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MrBobBoberson
08-03-2017, 01:05 AM #6

Sure, you're thinking about swapping your motherboard now—it's still brand new and in packaging... I haven't decided on AM4 yet.

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DBJ_26
Junior Member
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08-03-2017, 04:59 PM
#7
Only in the sense that, if you exceed the VRAM buffer, the extra bandwidth afforded by Gen 5 is very helpful. It can keep a game playable when it would otherwise be a disaster. If you don't run out of VRAM, anything Gen 3 and up is totally fine - you don't lose any significant amount of performance.
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DBJ_26
08-03-2017, 04:59 PM #7

Only in the sense that, if you exceed the VRAM buffer, the extra bandwidth afforded by Gen 5 is very helpful. It can keep a game playable when it would otherwise be a disaster. If you don't run out of VRAM, anything Gen 3 and up is totally fine - you don't lose any significant amount of performance.

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wizebana
Member
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08-03-2017, 11:59 PM
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Proceed with the request. What is your budget and where you're located? The Am5 is quite budget-friendly these days, though it still costs more than the AM4 models but offers better performance. Right now, the top choice is a 7500f around 150 USD, followed by a 110 USD board and 80 USD for RAM. A 5600x model is available for 100 USD, another 100 USD for a decent AM4 board, and 60 USD for RAM. You'll save money but with reduced performance. For comparison, a 5700x3D is on par with a 7600 for gaming and costs about 230 USD (prices can vary). The 7600 is now under 200 USD. Therefore, the price difference becomes less significant, which is why I always choose the AM5 here.
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wizebana
08-03-2017, 11:59 PM #8

Proceed with the request. What is your budget and where you're located? The Am5 is quite budget-friendly these days, though it still costs more than the AM4 models but offers better performance. Right now, the top choice is a 7500f around 150 USD, followed by a 110 USD board and 80 USD for RAM. A 5600x model is available for 100 USD, another 100 USD for a decent AM4 board, and 60 USD for RAM. You'll save money but with reduced performance. For comparison, a 5700x3D is on par with a 7600 for gaming and costs about 230 USD (prices can vary). The 7600 is now under 200 USD. Therefore, the price difference becomes less significant, which is why I always choose the AM5 here.

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kerem_
Member
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08-04-2017, 01:17 AM
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I've noticed only a few cards showing a noticeable drop in speed, usually over 5%, rather than complete failures. Hardwareunboxed explained this by using the 9060xt (both versions) on PCIe 3 to 5, and the main issue appeared with the 8GB model—extra bandwidth actually improved performance.
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kerem_
08-04-2017, 01:17 AM #9

I've noticed only a few cards showing a noticeable drop in speed, usually over 5%, rather than complete failures. Hardwareunboxed explained this by using the 9060xt (both versions) on PCIe 3 to 5, and the main issue appeared with the 8GB model—extra bandwidth actually improved performance.

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ivantoth01
Junior Member
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08-04-2017, 01:32 AM
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Yes, it's likely most users already have enough capacity with just two slots. In practice, upgrading to something like 2x32 or 4x16 often doesn't offer much price advantage. I haven't checked recent motherboard availability, but 2-slot models are still common and tend to be reasonably priced.
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ivantoth01
08-04-2017, 01:32 AM #10

Yes, it's likely most users already have enough capacity with just two slots. In practice, upgrading to something like 2x32 or 4x16 often doesn't offer much price advantage. I haven't checked recent motherboard availability, but 2-slot models are still common and tend to be reasonably priced.

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