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Consider purchasing new parts and seek my guidance.

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Rx_AvanteD
Junior Member
18
10-28-2021, 03:53 PM
#1
My i5-10400 has served me well but it's time to upgrade. I know roughly what I want, and my budget, but I'd like your help to pick specifics. I'll be buying either tomorrow or next week. Components: CPU: I want a new gen Intel/AMD (I'd rather intel to re-use my DDR4 memory, maybe even upgrade my 2x8 3200 to a 4x6 - but I'm willing to get AMD if u guys think DDR5 is worth the investment), probably an i7 or i9? MOBO : I don't really know or care about MOBO functionalities to be honest. I guess one that doesn't hurt the performance of my other components ? Cooler: Again, I have no idea about coolers. If it's a tower, I'd like it to be black. If I had to pick without your help i'd get an i9, the cheapest compatible MOBO, and a black noctua cooler. Probably not the smartest purchase, so that's why I decided to come ask. What do I use my PC for? I play VR games (I gave up on good frames for VRChat, but I'd like the best I can get for other titles), and regular games. Mostly indie, some triple A. Paradox and the upcoming KSP2 are some of the most intensive ones i thin. I have a 4k screen (someone told me that was relevant). Budget ~700€, though if you convince me I could go higher (like 100€ more). Obviously I don't mind spending less, if it's not at the expense of the CPU. Current build https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/vG4qRv
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Rx_AvanteD
10-28-2021, 03:53 PM #1

My i5-10400 has served me well but it's time to upgrade. I know roughly what I want, and my budget, but I'd like your help to pick specifics. I'll be buying either tomorrow or next week. Components: CPU: I want a new gen Intel/AMD (I'd rather intel to re-use my DDR4 memory, maybe even upgrade my 2x8 3200 to a 4x6 - but I'm willing to get AMD if u guys think DDR5 is worth the investment), probably an i7 or i9? MOBO : I don't really know or care about MOBO functionalities to be honest. I guess one that doesn't hurt the performance of my other components ? Cooler: Again, I have no idea about coolers. If it's a tower, I'd like it to be black. If I had to pick without your help i'd get an i9, the cheapest compatible MOBO, and a black noctua cooler. Probably not the smartest purchase, so that's why I decided to come ask. What do I use my PC for? I play VR games (I gave up on good frames for VRChat, but I'd like the best I can get for other titles), and regular games. Mostly indie, some triple A. Paradox and the upcoming KSP2 are some of the most intensive ones i thin. I have a 4k screen (someone told me that was relevant). Budget ~700€, though if you convince me I could go higher (like 100€ more). Obviously I don't mind spending less, if it's not at the expense of the CPU. Current build https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/vG4qRv

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steven753
Junior Member
18
11-04-2021, 01:15 AM
#2
This PSU is famous for... sudden failures. I wouldn't suggest using it, so I'll also upgrade that. What features does the 10400 lack? It seems suitable for my needs right now... around €700 for just the CPU or all? It looks like pairing it with a decent Z690 would push me over budget. I might look at something like this, but verify the cooler compatibility. Maybe even lower to 13600KF. PCPartPicker's list includes: CPU – Intel Core i7-13700KF 3.4 GHz 16-Core (€509.89 @ PC Componentes), Cooler – ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 (€119.99 @ Amazon Espana), Board – MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 (€225.99 @ Amazon Espana), PSU – BitFenix Whisper M 850 W (€94.89 @ PC Componentes). Total comes to €950.76, including shipping and taxes. Prices are listed as of October 22, 2022.
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steven753
11-04-2021, 01:15 AM #2

This PSU is famous for... sudden failures. I wouldn't suggest using it, so I'll also upgrade that. What features does the 10400 lack? It seems suitable for my needs right now... around €700 for just the CPU or all? It looks like pairing it with a decent Z690 would push me over budget. I might look at something like this, but verify the cooler compatibility. Maybe even lower to 13600KF. PCPartPicker's list includes: CPU – Intel Core i7-13700KF 3.4 GHz 16-Core (€509.89 @ PC Componentes), Cooler – ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 (€119.99 @ Amazon Espana), Board – MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 (€225.99 @ Amazon Espana), PSU – BitFenix Whisper M 850 W (€94.89 @ PC Componentes). Total comes to €950.76, including shipping and taxes. Prices are listed as of October 22, 2022.

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ArachnoDows
Member
81
11-08-2021, 04:11 AM
#3
If the budget allows, the top choice would be an i5. https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/z3DtsL The 13600K offers impressive performance, outpacing the previous i9 in gaming settings and providing ample overclocking potential while maintaining comparable multithreaded speed to the last-gen i7. The motherboard should be a budget-friendly Z790 or B660/Z690 model with BIOS flashback support (13th gen requires an update on B660/Z690). A dual-tower cooler should suffice for this processor, and it’s better than the NH-D15 in cooling efficiency. You’ll also need a new power supply to handle the increased load from the CPU upgrade. The GP750GM is known for reliability under heavy loads, making it a safe option despite its reputation for occasional issues when paired with high-end graphics cards like the 3080. Upgrading both the CPU and PSU at once would be ideal.
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ArachnoDows
11-08-2021, 04:11 AM #3

If the budget allows, the top choice would be an i5. https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/z3DtsL The 13600K offers impressive performance, outpacing the previous i9 in gaming settings and providing ample overclocking potential while maintaining comparable multithreaded speed to the last-gen i7. The motherboard should be a budget-friendly Z790 or B660/Z690 model with BIOS flashback support (13th gen requires an update on B660/Z690). A dual-tower cooler should suffice for this processor, and it’s better than the NH-D15 in cooling efficiency. You’ll also need a new power supply to handle the increased load from the CPU upgrade. The GP750GM is known for reliability under heavy loads, making it a safe option despite its reputation for occasional issues when paired with high-end graphics cards like the 3080. Upgrading both the CPU and PSU at once would be ideal.

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Jenuax
Member
174
11-17-2021, 06:07 PM
#4
Excellent construction possible at a lower cost using a B660 board with a compact cooler. Budget option around 710EUR works well. The CPU performs adequately at default settings, while overclocking offers minimal benefits.

PC Parts List: https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkQpRv
CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-core (€379.90 @ PC Componentes)
Cooler: Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM (€34.90 @ PC Componentes)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 (€170.79 @ Neobyte)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 (free purchase)
Storage: Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVMe SSD (free purchase)
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 3080 10GB (10GB VRAM) (free)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850 (2019) 850W, 80+ Gold certified, modular ATX (€124.90 @ Amazon Espana)
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, USB 32/64-bit (free)
Monitor: AOC U2879VF 28.0" 3840 x 2160, 60Hz (free)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CK550 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech G903 HERO Wireless Optical
Total Cost: Approximately €710.49
Includes shipping, taxes, and applicable discounts.
Generated by PCPartPicker on 2022-10-22 22:01 CEST+0200
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Jenuax
11-17-2021, 06:07 PM #4

Excellent construction possible at a lower cost using a B660 board with a compact cooler. Budget option around 710EUR works well. The CPU performs adequately at default settings, while overclocking offers minimal benefits.

PC Parts List: https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkQpRv
CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-core (€379.90 @ PC Componentes)
Cooler: Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM (€34.90 @ PC Componentes)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 (€170.79 @ Neobyte)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 (free purchase)
Storage: Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVMe SSD (free purchase)
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 3080 10GB (10GB VRAM) (free)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850 (2019) 850W, 80+ Gold certified, modular ATX (€124.90 @ Amazon Espana)
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, USB 32/64-bit (free)
Monitor: AOC U2879VF 28.0" 3840 x 2160, 60Hz (free)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CK550 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech G903 HERO Wireless Optical
Total Cost: Approximately €710.49
Includes shipping, taxes, and applicable discounts.
Generated by PCPartPicker on 2022-10-22 22:01 CEST+0200

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nickzach10
Member
163
11-18-2021, 12:11 AM
#5
I understand you're considering a B660 board, but BIOS flashback is essential for updating it, especially since Intel doesn't offer a CPU loaner program like AMD does. Unless you're also getting a G6900 or have someone with a 12th-gen setup, you'll need BIOS flashback to make the board functional. The Z690-A Pro is the most affordable option that supports this feature.

Regarding cooling, the 13600K can consume 150-200W when fully loaded, so a dual tower air cooler makes more sense to keep it running efficiently.
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nickzach10
11-18-2021, 12:11 AM #5

I understand you're considering a B660 board, but BIOS flashback is essential for updating it, especially since Intel doesn't offer a CPU loaner program like AMD does. Unless you're also getting a G6900 or have someone with a 12th-gen setup, you'll need BIOS flashback to make the board functional. The Z690-A Pro is the most affordable option that supports this feature.

Regarding cooling, the 13600K can consume 150-200W when fully loaded, so a dual tower air cooler makes more sense to keep it running efficiently.

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trevin18
Junior Member
14
11-24-2021, 04:43 PM
#6
You're right about the BIOS and possible problems. For cooling, it looks like you'll reach TJMax around 100°C regardless of power limits, so better cooling won't help much—just lower clock speeds by a few hundred MHz or push the PL to around 90°C (maybe 120W). That's usually not an issue for a gaming rig.
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trevin18
11-24-2021, 04:43 PM #6

You're right about the BIOS and possible problems. For cooling, it looks like you'll reach TJMax around 100°C regardless of power limits, so better cooling won't help much—just lower clock speeds by a few hundred MHz or push the PL to around 90°C (maybe 120W). That's usually not an issue for a gaming rig.

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DRGNdragsYT
Senior Member
723
12-01-2021, 03:30 AM
#7
To save some cash, op could return the board for a BIOS upgrade if it lacks the newest version. The issue is it would likely take around three weeks with MSI, which isn’t ideal. However, it might be preferable to a cheaper CPU that still functions, or to have the local store perform the update. This is my suggestion when it’s feasible and not too costly compared to online purchases.
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DRGNdragsYT
12-01-2021, 03:30 AM #7

To save some cash, op could return the board for a BIOS upgrade if it lacks the newest version. The issue is it would likely take around three weeks with MSI, which isn’t ideal. However, it might be preferable to a cheaper CPU that still functions, or to have the local store perform the update. This is my suggestion when it’s feasible and not too costly compared to online purchases.

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laserboyvg
Member
122
12-02-2021, 04:17 AM
#8
Uncertain about whether we're comparing different reviews, the pair I've checked (TechPowerUp and Guru3D) have achieved solid thermal performance on the 13600K, 90C stock in an NH-U14 and 60-70C on a 360mm AIO. You might manage with a 120mm tower cooler if you're okay running at 100C under full load, but considering the AK620 costs just $30 more, it seems quite justified.
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laserboyvg
12-02-2021, 04:17 AM #8

Uncertain about whether we're comparing different reviews, the pair I've checked (TechPowerUp and Guru3D) have achieved solid thermal performance on the 13600K, 90C stock in an NH-U14 and 60-70C on a 360mm AIO. You might manage with a 120mm tower cooler if you're okay running at 100C under full load, but considering the AK620 costs just $30 more, it seems quite justified.