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Choose PCIe 4.0 or ReBar based on your needs.

Choose PCIe 4.0 or ReBar based on your needs.

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Azteka63
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04-18-2022, 10:13 PM
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Hi, I have an MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard paired with an RX 6650XT. The board officially supports PCIe 3.0, but I’ve flashed an older BIOS that enables PCIe 4.0. Testing via GPU-Z and 3DMark confirmed it’s running at PCIe 4.0. However, the newer BIOS removed PCIe 4 support, so I can’t use ReBar anymore—it requires a later version. Manually adding it causes Windows to freeze in an infinite boot when 4G mode is enabled. My concern is whether PCIe 4 offers real benefits over ReBar or if updating to the latest BIOS with ReBar would be better. My GPU supports up to PCIe 4.0 x8, which is essentially PCIe 3.0 x16. The older PCIe 3.0 x8 setup seems even less ideal. What’s the best path forward? Thanks!
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Azteka63
04-18-2022, 10:13 PM #1

Hi, I have an MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard paired with an RX 6650XT. The board officially supports PCIe 3.0, but I’ve flashed an older BIOS that enables PCIe 4.0. Testing via GPU-Z and 3DMark confirmed it’s running at PCIe 4.0. However, the newer BIOS removed PCIe 4 support, so I can’t use ReBar anymore—it requires a later version. Manually adding it causes Windows to freeze in an infinite boot when 4G mode is enabled. My concern is whether PCIe 4 offers real benefits over ReBar or if updating to the latest BIOS with ReBar would be better. My GPU supports up to PCIe 4.0 x8, which is essentially PCIe 3.0 x16. The older PCIe 3.0 x8 setup seems even less ideal. What’s the best path forward? Thanks!

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MiTaRaShl
Junior Member
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04-19-2022, 01:16 AM
#2
PCIe 3.0 usually doesn’t affect performance, except for the RX 6400 and RX 6500 XT which have only four lanes. This makes reBar more appealing for the 6600 XT, and the 6650 XT should be comparable.
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MiTaRaShl
04-19-2022, 01:16 AM #2

PCIe 3.0 usually doesn’t affect performance, except for the RX 6400 and RX 6500 XT which have only four lanes. This makes reBar more appealing for the 6600 XT, and the 6650 XT should be comparable.

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Komodo88
Senior Member
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04-19-2022, 04:07 AM
#3
Including enhanced speed improvements from nearly four years of updated microcode.
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Komodo88
04-19-2022, 04:07 AM #3

Including enhanced speed improvements from nearly four years of updated microcode.

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ChocChocGaming
Junior Member
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04-19-2022, 04:30 AM
#4
They might have removed the PCIe 4 capabilities from the BIOS, suggesting the board wasn't a reliable or strong enough implementation. As noted earlier, you probably won’t encounter many (if any) issues at PCIe 3 speeds; the reBar is likely to offer better performance.
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ChocChocGaming
04-19-2022, 04:30 AM #4

They might have removed the PCIe 4 capabilities from the BIOS, suggesting the board wasn't a reliable or strong enough implementation. As noted earlier, you probably won’t encounter many (if any) issues at PCIe 3 speeds; the reBar is likely to offer better performance.

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vincentnele
Member
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04-19-2022, 05:12 AM
#5
Yes, there is ReBAR injection. It's a procedure used to treat certain conditions.
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vincentnele
04-19-2022, 05:12 AM #5

Yes, there is ReBAR injection. It's a procedure used to treat certain conditions.

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Deathfighter1
Member
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04-19-2022, 12:54 PM
#6
I tried this before, but when 4G Encoding is turned on in BIOS for Windows, it won’t boot and keeps looping forever.
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Deathfighter1
04-19-2022, 12:54 PM #6

I tried this before, but when 4G Encoding is turned on in BIOS for Windows, it won’t boot and keeps looping forever.

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thingul
Member
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04-19-2022, 06:44 PM
#7
No, I don't use UEFI booting for Windows.
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thingul
04-19-2022, 06:44 PM #7

No, I don't use UEFI booting for Windows.

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Murica1776
Member
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04-19-2022, 06:58 PM
#8
Yes
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Murica1776
04-19-2022, 06:58 PM #8

Yes

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iTzMarvinPvP_
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04-19-2022, 08:22 PM
#9
Yes, the processor includes a graphics core for rendering visuals.
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iTzMarvinPvP_
04-19-2022, 08:22 PM #9

Yes, the processor includes a graphics core for rendering visuals.

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FancyMushroom
Member
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04-21-2022, 09:54 PM
#10
The B450 PCIe 4.0 compatibility was removed for a valid reason. The performance difference in these games is minimal, so upgrading to a newer UEFI with rebar might be more beneficial. The RX 6650 XT appears to be near the limit of PCIe 3.0 8x bandwidth, depending on the game.
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FancyMushroom
04-21-2022, 09:54 PM #10

The B450 PCIe 4.0 compatibility was removed for a valid reason. The performance difference in these games is minimal, so upgrading to a newer UEFI with rebar might be more beneficial. The RX 6650 XT appears to be near the limit of PCIe 3.0 8x bandwidth, depending on the game.

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