Checking the actual performance of the Ryzen 5 1600 with non-"x" overclocking configurations.
Checking the actual performance of the Ryzen 5 1600 with non-"x" overclocking configurations.
Rogue Leader :
Maybe you don't understand what discontinued means but the 1800X is NO LONGER BEING MADE. AMD stopped producing them when they started making the 2xxx Processors. Just because your Microcenter has some leftover ones in stock does not make it not discontinued. I clicked the link, the Microcenter by MY house is sold out. They won't be getting more, because its DISCONTINUED. It was being sold that cheap because it was discontinued.
The whole idea is "discontinued" is marketing lies. It is really only discontinued when AMD quits supporting them. and there is no supply out there. As it is the prices are low because there is a glut of them. This is the market reality.
Rogue Leader :
nobspls :
It is a $60 board, and a $140 processor. The whole point is to get it cheap and beat the crap out of them. Overpaying for that extra maybe 5%-7% for the latest 2600x/2700x, at nearly 45% more money is simply insanity. If a $200 processor is not expendable then over paying for 260x/2700x is a total nonstarter.
You missed the part where not everyone can burn $200 like you can. I don't know where you are getting your % numbers but they don't make sense. The 2700X has 2 extra cores, the 2600X while it has the same number of course again the base clocks out of the box are faster.
Burning them up over 4 years is well worth it, even if it did drive to thermal migration/avalanche over that time period. But seriously not since my 286, I've never see it happen, and even then it was just random panics and my cousin still wanted that machine when I was done with it. And you don't know where I get my numbers, is because you are too focused on the board, chips themselves, and missing the market opportunities. Heck the 2600x is going for $190 with $30 mobo discount so effectively $160 right now:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/50562...ire-cooler
There is not good reason to overpay. And I got my R5 1600 for effectively $100, and my R7 1700 for $140, because AMD had $30 rebates on top of Microcenter's mobo discounts. You just got to shop better.
Considering the tiny delta between 2600x at $160 vs the 2700x see:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD...3958vs3956
There is no rational justification for overpaying for the 2700x. And the 1800x has just as many cores and is effectively priced at $170. See:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD...3958vs3916
Unless the 2700x drops to $200 it is massively overpriced.
Rogue Leader :
No its not ALL about getting lucky. That sure is part of it. But you can properly overclock ALMOST any chip without turning it into a smoking burning heap using proper overclocking methods. Even using a cheap motherboard. But sure advocate burning up the VRMs on a board and returning it, and if the shop you gor it from doesn't look then maybe you'll get away with it. Or you could just do it the right way and not need to do that.
It is about getting lucky, and too date I've not seen anything actually release smoke or even smell burnt. There is no smoking heap. I'll admit I wrecked a $70 Athlon T-bird once beause I removed the HSF to prove a point to friend, he lost the bet I got my $70 for it.
Rogue Leader :
Your horrid advice is not how to maximize your dollars, its how to waste both time and money, oh but wait its not yours because you're just burning other people's boards with your bad advice, or the stores since you'll return it. People like you are why prices go up.
I've not wasted my money. Time maybe because I'm perhaps a bit to OCD about things. And the prices have not gone up. People like me is what holds these companies accountable. Microcenter actually like me visting them plenty, I'd rather be more anonymous, but they actually seem to recognize me. They are happy to work with me on the returns and exchanges. And they gotten plenty of money from me. And same can be said for newegg, Best buy etc. But when Asus, ASRock, MSI, Gigabyte, etc. make claims about their board's OC capability they better be able to deliver. If their VRMs suck they need to be called out. They can eat their own crap boards, if they fail to deliver.
Rogue Leader :
You may have done it a long time it doesn't mean you are doing it right or you haven't just gotten lucky. Well clearly you did burn up some stuff.
When stuff get old enough, I overclock them even more and cook the last bits out of them. Even then there is no smoke or burning heap, just instability. I just play abit aggressive, but I don't consider myself a crazy aggressive overclocker. None of the overclocks are about getting world records, and my voltage values are always on the safe side anyways. I just want cheap and easy. With PC tech stuff where they are now, where you don't need to set jumpers for voltage dividers or clock multipliers, and they got all these safeties built-in into the bios, this should be minimum people can do and easily do.
Darkbreeze shared their experience with Prime95 testing. They mentioned running a specific version and asked about custom settings. They noted that Realbench is better suited for stability checks, while Prime95 version 26.6 on Small FFT is more practical for thermal or stability analysis. They emphasized the importance of verifying CPU stability before adjusting memory XMP values to avoid misleading results. The advice included checking system resources and using HWinfo or CoreTemp for monitoring. They also highlighted the need to focus on thermal and clock stability, especially given the board's limitations, and suggested using custom settings carefully.
The situation suggests realistic expectations and a readiness to address necessary adjustments. Setting up and confirming a stable overclock requires patience, as most users don’t invest the time initially. This often leads to frustration within six months when unexpected errors appear—such as repeated crashes, hardware doubts, or performance drops. Many assume their system is fine, but in reality, these issues stem from overlooked micro-issues during validation.
A fresh install of Windows can resolve some concerns, yet it may simply point to a faulty update. More commonly, unstable CPU setups cause problems, and even tweaking memory settings—like enabling XMP—can introduce subtle errors if not done carefully. Any configuration beyond the default limits is still considered an overclock, and DRAM manufacturers often use similar timing standards for automatic profiles.
There’s a high chance that minor inconsistencies across modules or hardware components can trigger tiny glitches in what appears to be a normal XMP overclock. Before long, you’ll notice instability—possibly with visual cues or performance drops. A straightforward check is to validate your memory XMP settings once, using tools like Memtest86 and Prime95 in blend mode. If needed, run Memtest86 again after Blend, focusing on specific tests like 6 and 13.
Execute Realbench for eight hours; persistent errors signal instability and a need for adjustment. Consider reducing the multiplier or voltage, or even pausing the XMP profile if it’s causing issues. Avoid changing settings hastily, as this can reset progress.
After confirming stability, proceed cautiously with memory configurations. Use Prime95 version 26.6 with the Small FFT option. If it stays within thermal limits for your CPU during 15 minutes, it’s thermally acceptable under current settings. Remember, thermal compliance doesn’t guarantee stability—especially if you push high-performance workloads.
If temperatures remain acceptable, repeat the stress test on Realbench using 50% of RAM for eight hours. This confirms long-term reliability. Only after this should you consider enabling custom memory settings or adjusting timings.
Once stable, apply XMP configurations only after thorough validation. Run Memtest86 twice post-Blend, focusing on specific tests. If problems persist, investigate potential hardware faults rather than overclocking further.
^ If you keep stability after darkbreeze's info, I'd say you have a blinder of a chip there — that's the 'golden sample' outcome.
Vdroop really doesn't matter if you're 100% stable.
To be honest, I've used that board several times and it tends to overcompensate in voltage.
I'm also running an older bios though.
The whole concept is that "discontinued" is just marketing hype. It truly stops when AMD stops providing support, and there are no more supplies available. Since prices remain low due to an oversupply, this reflects the actual market situation. "Discontinued" means the product is no longer being made, which matches the dictionary definition. AMD still backs FX processors and Phenoms with patches, but they are considered discontinued. Inventory is dwindling and will eventually run out. Regarding your other points, I won’t keep discussing further as it isn’t assisting the original poster and they’re already receiving guidance from experienced overclockers. They understand where to find accurate information, that’s all that matters. Good luck.
Sure, I aim to maintain my CPU performance for as long as possible over the next four years.