F5F Stay Refreshed Power Users Networks Check if vectoring supports 17A or works with 8B. Also, confirm the limits for supervectoring at 35A.

Check if vectoring supports 17A or works with 8B. Also, confirm the limits for supervectoring at 35A.

Check if vectoring supports 17A or works with 8B. Also, confirm the limits for supervectoring at 35A.

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DamianMil
Junior Member
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07-03-2024, 11:41 AM
#1
You're facing a common challenge with older routers and newer network setups. The issue seems tied to the router's capabilities and how vectoring is implemented. Since your current setup uses an 8b profile, it may not fully benefit from advanced features like vectoring, especially if the ISP hasn't optimized for higher speeds yet. The new cabinet closer to you could indeed improve performance, but the older router might not support it directly. Consider reaching out to the ISP about upgrading your profile or requesting a switch to 17a, which would better utilize the improved vectoring and higher power.
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DamianMil
07-03-2024, 11:41 AM #1

You're facing a common challenge with older routers and newer network setups. The issue seems tied to the router's capabilities and how vectoring is implemented. Since your current setup uses an 8b profile, it may not fully benefit from advanced features like vectoring, especially if the ISP hasn't optimized for higher speeds yet. The new cabinet closer to you could indeed improve performance, but the older router might not support it directly. Consider reaching out to the ISP about upgrading your profile or requesting a switch to 17a, which would better utilize the improved vectoring and higher power.

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iNaseer502
Member
152
07-03-2024, 07:10 PM
#2
I think you missunderstood. Let me elaborate a bit further. The new cabinet is there for shortening the lines, it's something the ISP is doing in the whole country, to bring vDSL to those that have lover speeds (that are too far from the nearest cabinet). I do own the house and it's a single family home. FTTH isn't an option in my area, but FTTC is (thus vDSL, vectoring and somewhere even supervectoring). It's not their measurement that states the connection is 300m, it's the walking distance from my house to the cabinet I am connected to. Areal distance. Their equipment is the thing that shows 700-800 meters. And it was ~1Km before I made them fix the cable that runs from my 3rd neighbor to my house (some 30m). It was even worse before the fix. Here's the router info in the attachment. I rebooth the router each day at 5 in the morning so this number of errors happened in the last 15 hours. The DSLAM supports vectoring and my router claims it does too (but the ISP-s under-educated technicians claim it doesn't). Should I ask them to switch me to 17a?
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iNaseer502
07-03-2024, 07:10 PM #2

I think you missunderstood. Let me elaborate a bit further. The new cabinet is there for shortening the lines, it's something the ISP is doing in the whole country, to bring vDSL to those that have lover speeds (that are too far from the nearest cabinet). I do own the house and it's a single family home. FTTH isn't an option in my area, but FTTC is (thus vDSL, vectoring and somewhere even supervectoring). It's not their measurement that states the connection is 300m, it's the walking distance from my house to the cabinet I am connected to. Areal distance. Their equipment is the thing that shows 700-800 meters. And it was ~1Km before I made them fix the cable that runs from my 3rd neighbor to my house (some 30m). It was even worse before the fix. Here's the router info in the attachment. I rebooth the router each day at 5 in the morning so this number of errors happened in the last 15 hours. The DSLAM supports vectoring and my router claims it does too (but the ISP-s under-educated technicians claim it doesn't). Should I ask them to switch me to 17a?

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Androve
Member
62
07-10-2024, 05:48 AM
#3
If only the cables were buried. They descend roughly half the way, then connect from one roof to another, spanning about 8 to 9 houses separated by 12 to 30 meters each (depending on yard size, and not every property has a house). The wires are typically twisted together, and most homeowners rely solely on standard phones or the cheapest internet options (ADSL 4Mbps to VDSL 20), leaving the ISP with little incentive to upgrade since these users face no issues—older folks and outdated gear can handle any connection type.
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Androve
07-10-2024, 05:48 AM #3

If only the cables were buried. They descend roughly half the way, then connect from one roof to another, spanning about 8 to 9 houses separated by 12 to 30 meters each (depending on yard size, and not every property has a house). The wires are typically twisted together, and most homeowners rely solely on standard phones or the cheapest internet options (ADSL 4Mbps to VDSL 20), leaving the ISP with little incentive to upgrade since these users face no issues—older folks and outdated gear can handle any connection type.

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Brain_Stew_GD
Junior Member
34
07-10-2024, 08:25 AM
#4
I fully support this idea. My goal from using vectoring is to see better service quality, though I don’t expect a major speed increase. A slight improvement would make a big difference. For instance, I can’t maintain a stable high-quality stream at 480p on my channel, and even switching to 720p with a reasonable bitrate causes upload problems. I’m also not discussing network bufferbloat. I’ve already found solutions to address that issue.
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Brain_Stew_GD
07-10-2024, 08:25 AM #4

I fully support this idea. My goal from using vectoring is to see better service quality, though I don’t expect a major speed increase. A slight improvement would make a big difference. For instance, I can’t maintain a stable high-quality stream at 480p on my channel, and even switching to 720p with a reasonable bitrate causes upload problems. I’m also not discussing network bufferbloat. I’ve already found solutions to address that issue.

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coolman9222
Posting Freak
754
07-12-2024, 07:07 AM
#5
SNR margin on your line is below 6. Would you consider adjusting your ISP’s speed settings for a stronger signal? You’re weighing options between 17a 30/4 and 8b (32-35 / 5). 17a likely involves automatic vectoring activation in the cabinet without line changes.
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coolman9222
07-12-2024, 07:07 AM #5

SNR margin on your line is below 6. Would you consider adjusting your ISP’s speed settings for a stronger signal? You’re weighing options between 17a 30/4 and 8b (32-35 / 5). 17a likely involves automatic vectoring activation in the cabinet without line changes.