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iron_finder1
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04-29-2024, 08:41 PM
#11
It seems the idea was to stick with simplicity, but the vibe felt a bit forced.
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iron_finder1
04-29-2024, 08:41 PM #11

It seems the idea was to stick with simplicity, but the vibe felt a bit forced.

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deathleaf
Member
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05-01-2024, 03:21 AM
#12
It's an unusual group. Their views shift between encouraging everyone to use it and warning people away, all depending on the topic you bring up.
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deathleaf
05-01-2024, 03:21 AM #12

It's an unusual group. Their views shift between encouraging everyone to use it and warning people away, all depending on the topic you bring up.

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05-02-2024, 01:06 PM
#13
I first learned Linux with a kernel version around 0.9, and dial-up was the only way to connect. Back then, most Linux resources were scarce, and experienced users often just gave up. Despite the challenges, I gained a lot and remember those lessons well. Now, setting up a Teles ISDN card on Linux still gives me trouble. If I started with Linux, I’d prefer more beginner-friendly or gaming-focused distros and move forward if needed. Arch or Gentoo aren’t the right paths—I’d rather learn something easier and more fun.
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RagingCoconuts
05-02-2024, 01:06 PM #13

I first learned Linux with a kernel version around 0.9, and dial-up was the only way to connect. Back then, most Linux resources were scarce, and experienced users often just gave up. Despite the challenges, I gained a lot and remember those lessons well. Now, setting up a Teles ISDN card on Linux still gives me trouble. If I started with Linux, I’d prefer more beginner-friendly or gaming-focused distros and move forward if needed. Arch or Gentoo aren’t the right paths—I’d rather learn something easier and more fun.

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Masupa
Member
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05-02-2024, 02:14 PM
#14
The same outdated elitist mindset still influences the Linux community. The persistent belief that it should be difficult to use or exclude beginners hinders broader acceptance. I favor Debian-based Nix distributions because they offer a clear, easy setup and installation process. Operating systems shouldn<|pad|> to be user-friendly, not intimidating like Mount Everest. If you aim for higher adoption, keep it simple and provide support. If you want to come across as arrogant or difficult, you’ll likely fade into obscurity.
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Masupa
05-02-2024, 02:14 PM #14

The same outdated elitist mindset still influences the Linux community. The persistent belief that it should be difficult to use or exclude beginners hinders broader acceptance. I favor Debian-based Nix distributions because they offer a clear, easy setup and installation process. Operating systems shouldn<|pad|> to be user-friendly, not intimidating like Mount Everest. If you aim for higher adoption, keep it simple and provide support. If you want to come across as arrogant or difficult, you’ll likely fade into obscurity.

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Swag2Poulet
Junior Member
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05-07-2024, 02:08 AM
#15
I haven't grasped that perspective before. I don't interact with the operating system directly. It needs to start up first, then I can access the software required for my tasks. Running the system shouldn't be a routine chore.
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Swag2Poulet
05-07-2024, 02:08 AM #15

I haven't grasped that perspective before. I don't interact with the operating system directly. It needs to start up first, then I can access the software required for my tasks. Running the system shouldn't be a routine chore.

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lukastias
Member
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05-07-2024, 02:43 AM
#16
Perhaps individuals simply prefer their setup this way. There are numerous beginner-friendly Linux distributions available, and some people might appreciate assembling their own system because they enjoy the process. Why not embrace that choice?
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lukastias
05-07-2024, 02:43 AM #16

Perhaps individuals simply prefer their setup this way. There are numerous beginner-friendly Linux distributions available, and some people might appreciate assembling their own system because they enjoy the process. Why not embrace that choice?

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05-22-2024, 05:26 PM
#17
The DIY methods are perfectly fine. The main issue lies with the behavior of some individuals in certain distribution groups. Just because they enjoy DIY doesn't mean they should act rudely when someone asks a question.
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CreeperRocket1
05-22-2024, 05:26 PM #17

The DIY methods are perfectly fine. The main issue lies with the behavior of some individuals in certain distribution groups. Just because they enjoy DIY doesn't mean they should act rudely when someone asks a question.

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WilsonWDG
Junior Member
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05-30-2024, 07:07 AM
#18
Apologies for the lengthy message! It appears I may have strayed from the point. The KiSS or Keep it Simple principle aims for a basic setup adaptable to various user requirements—whether it's a server, NAS, gaming PC, or computing cluster. This doesn’t imply simplifying for desktop users; rather, it reflects a flexible approach. In the Arch Linux context and similar *nix/GNU environments, this means tailoring the system to each user’s needs. For others, like a typical office worker, Arch Linux isn’t the right fit. It wasn’t designed for that use case. I’m uncertain if any Linux suits such general needs, as the differences in software philosophy between closed and open systems play a big role.

What makes FOSS distinct from proprietary OSes is the development model: closed systems rely on a single authority (the company), whereas FOSS projects thrive on community-driven contributions. This affects everything from hardware drivers to desktop environments, and even the overall direction of each distribution. Linux distributions vary widely in their goals—some lean toward a more open, community-led vision, while others may prioritize stability or specific user roles.

The lack of a unified control structure can lead to confusion, especially for those unfamiliar with Linux internals. This is highlighted by the challenges seen in the GNU+Linux space, where differing opinions and standards sometimes cause friction. While this isn’t unique to Linux, it’s particularly noticeable in the FOSS sphere.

Regarding the community, there isn’t a single Arch or Linux group with a unified direction. People have diverse views, often forming loosely connected circles around shared tools like the Arch Forums. Some believe a broader adoption is possible, but many users remain skeptical or simply don’t see the need. It’s important to approach discussions with patience, as misunderstandings can arise easily.
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WilsonWDG
05-30-2024, 07:07 AM #18

Apologies for the lengthy message! It appears I may have strayed from the point. The KiSS or Keep it Simple principle aims for a basic setup adaptable to various user requirements—whether it's a server, NAS, gaming PC, or computing cluster. This doesn’t imply simplifying for desktop users; rather, it reflects a flexible approach. In the Arch Linux context and similar *nix/GNU environments, this means tailoring the system to each user’s needs. For others, like a typical office worker, Arch Linux isn’t the right fit. It wasn’t designed for that use case. I’m uncertain if any Linux suits such general needs, as the differences in software philosophy between closed and open systems play a big role.

What makes FOSS distinct from proprietary OSes is the development model: closed systems rely on a single authority (the company), whereas FOSS projects thrive on community-driven contributions. This affects everything from hardware drivers to desktop environments, and even the overall direction of each distribution. Linux distributions vary widely in their goals—some lean toward a more open, community-led vision, while others may prioritize stability or specific user roles.

The lack of a unified control structure can lead to confusion, especially for those unfamiliar with Linux internals. This is highlighted by the challenges seen in the GNU+Linux space, where differing opinions and standards sometimes cause friction. While this isn’t unique to Linux, it’s particularly noticeable in the FOSS sphere.

Regarding the community, there isn’t a single Arch or Linux group with a unified direction. People have diverse views, often forming loosely connected circles around shared tools like the Arch Forums. Some believe a broader adoption is possible, but many users remain skeptical or simply don’t see the need. It’s important to approach discussions with patience, as misunderstandings can arise easily.

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reddwarf1234
Member
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05-30-2024, 03:21 PM
#19
The issue lies in the KISS philosophy, which aims to keep things simple and direct so everyone can apply it. That’s the essence of KISS. Minimalism doesn’t mean easy, these concepts shouldn’t be mixed up. Arch is incorrectly applying KISS language (or Distrowatch’s version, whatever) to lure users who assume simplicity equals ease of use. Still, since Arch and Gentoo are connected, it should have been obvious.
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reddwarf1234
05-30-2024, 03:21 PM #19

The issue lies in the KISS philosophy, which aims to keep things simple and direct so everyone can apply it. That’s the essence of KISS. Minimalism doesn’t mean easy, these concepts shouldn’t be mixed up. Arch is incorrectly applying KISS language (or Distrowatch’s version, whatever) to lure users who assume simplicity equals ease of use. Still, since Arch and Gentoo are connected, it should have been obvious.

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zlip88
Member
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06-01-2024, 10:30 PM
#20
I hadn't encountered the KISS acronym or its historical background. It seems there are different understandings and objectives behind the term—whether focusing on technical simplicity or user experience. Even within the U.S. Navy, interpretations vary, and the meaning wasn't clearly defined on Wikipedia except that it originated from an engineer. For clarity, I referenced their official wiki, which explains it without confusion. Arch and Gentoo are unrelated concepts.
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zlip88
06-01-2024, 10:30 PM #20

I hadn't encountered the KISS acronym or its historical background. It seems there are different understandings and objectives behind the term—whether focusing on technical simplicity or user experience. Even within the U.S. Navy, interpretations vary, and the meaning wasn't clearly defined on Wikipedia except that it originated from an engineer. For clarity, I referenced their official wiki, which explains it without confusion. Arch and Gentoo are unrelated concepts.

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